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		<title>By: Jan Van lent</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/08/11/approximating-a-solution-that-doesnt-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-122325</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Van lent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that the location of the singularity is given by &lt;code&gt;t(1)&lt;/code&gt;, where &lt;code&gt;t(w)&lt;/code&gt; is the solution of the initial value problem
  &lt;code&gt;t&#039;(w) = 1/((1-w)^2*t(w)^2+1), t(0) = 0&lt;/code&gt;.
The value of &lt;code&gt;t(1) = 0.96981072&lt;/code&gt; can easily be found numerically.

The solution to the original problem can be written using Bessel functions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the location of the singularity is given by <code>t(1)</code>, where <code>t(w)</code> is the solution of the initial value problem<br />
  <code>t'(w) = 1/((1-w)^2*t(w)^2+1), t(0) = 0</code>.<br />
The value of <code>t(1) = 0.96981072</code> can easily be found numerically.</p>
<p>The solution to the original problem can be written using Bessel functions.</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Mathematics #56 &#171; Reasonable Deviations</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Mathematics #56 &#171; Reasonable Deviations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogger John Cook writes about an intriguing nonlinear differential equation , with initial value . Suppose we would like to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blogger John Cook writes about an intriguing nonlinear differential equation , with initial value . Suppose we would like to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ekzept</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/08/11/approximating-a-solution-that-doesnt-exist/comment-page-1/#comment-22430</link>
		<dc:creator>ekzept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice illustration! Just to finish off the scholarship, the Boyce and DiPrima (first) edition I have (INTRODUCTION TO DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS, 1970, SBN 471-09338-6) puts the illustration of this problem in section 7.7, out at pages 277-278. It is interesting it is dumped in a section introducing numerical methods rather than being placed far ahead, in the Introduction. That Introduction uses Newton&#039;s Second Law as a start, and follows with the general form of ODEs. I think this shows, in part, how heavily computation has influenced our collective view of this material.

To balance, however, I&#039;d say there are some algorithms and processes which give answers with phenomena and data theory is quite hopeless at dicing. (Think Navier-Stokes.)  Sure, they have and need parts to be robustly built, and existence solutions are critical.  And, sure, people -- including &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt; -- could do with more careful attention to theoretical underpinnings in nearly everything I do.  I try. We try.  But, for example, there&#039;s a lot of good engineering that can be done with Laplace transforms that doesn&#039;t really need an understanding of the proof of Lerch&#039;s Theorem.  I&#039;d say that&#039;s good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice illustration! Just to finish off the scholarship, the Boyce and DiPrima (first) edition I have (INTRODUCTION TO DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS, 1970, SBN 471-09338-6) puts the illustration of this problem in section 7.7, out at pages 277-278. It is interesting it is dumped in a section introducing numerical methods rather than being placed far ahead, in the Introduction. That Introduction uses Newton&#8217;s Second Law as a start, and follows with the general form of ODEs. I think this shows, in part, how heavily computation has influenced our collective view of this material.</p>
<p>To balance, however, I&#8217;d say there are some algorithms and processes which give answers with phenomena and data theory is quite hopeless at dicing. (Think Navier-Stokes.)  Sure, they have and need parts to be robustly built, and existence solutions are critical.  And, sure, people &#8212; including <em>me</em> &#8212; could do with more careful attention to theoretical underpinnings in nearly everything I do.  I try. We try.  But, for example, there&#8217;s a lot of good engineering that can be done with Laplace transforms that doesn&#8217;t really need an understanding of the proof of Lerch&#8217;s Theorem.  I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s good!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Lemire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Lemire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the term thermodynamics came about after the first engines, we already had a lot of theory worked out before. Pressure was a well known concept. So, I wouldn&#039;t go so far as to say that &quot;practical application&quot; predates theory.

I suspect it is more of an entanglement... theory without practice is barren... practice without theory is crude...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the term thermodynamics came about after the first engines, we already had a lot of theory worked out before. Pressure was a well known concept. So, I wouldn&#8217;t go so far as to say that &#8220;practical application&#8221; predates theory.</p>
<p>I suspect it is more of an entanglement&#8230; theory without practice is barren&#8230; practice without theory is crude&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the article below had an interesting comment about theory vs. practice from an engineering standpoint.

http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/1997/3/1997_3_20.shtml

Q: You were developing transonic theory after the sound barrier had already been broken. Hasn’t much of your historical study also involved engineering problems that were “solved” in a practical sense before they were understood theoretically?

A: Yes, and I think that’s a typical situation in technology. You have to look hard to find cases in which the theory is well worked out before the practice. Look at the steam engine and thermodynamics; that whole vast science got started because people were trying to explain and calculate the performance of the reciprocating steam engines that had been built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the article below had an interesting comment about theory vs. practice from an engineering standpoint.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/1997/3/1997_3_20.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/1997/3/1997_3_20.shtml</a></p>
<p>Q: You were developing transonic theory after the sound barrier had already been broken. Hasn’t much of your historical study also involved engineering problems that were “solved” in a practical sense before they were understood theoretically?</p>
<p>A: Yes, and I think that’s a typical situation in technology. You have to look hard to find cases in which the theory is well worked out before the practice. Look at the steam engine and thermodynamics; that whole vast science got started because people were trying to explain and calculate the performance of the reciprocating steam engines that had been built.</p>
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