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		<title>By: Joel Horo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Horo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a great post by an ex-colleague that illustrates what you say: http://www.uncarved.com/blog/pay_by_results.mrk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a great post by an ex-colleague that illustrates what you say: <a href="http://www.uncarved.com/blog/pay_by_results.mrk" rel="nofollow">http://www.uncarved.com/blog/pay_by_results.mrk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be &quot;hard to define&quot; a productive programmer, but many of us know it when we see it.  One difficulty, is that those who possess a lower level of talent and technical insight are sometimes unable to correctly evaluate the relative productivity, or value, of the highest performers.  As Sir Arthur Conan Doyle put it: &quot;Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself.  Talent instantly recognizes genius.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be &#8220;hard to define&#8221; a productive programmer, but many of us know it when we see it.  One difficulty, is that those who possess a lower level of talent and technical insight are sometimes unable to correctly evaluate the relative productivity, or value, of the highest performers.  As Sir Arthur Conan Doyle put it: &#8220;Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself.  Talent instantly recognizes genius.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once knew a programmer who must have, at one time, been paid by the number of lines he wrote. His code always had the same style:

int checkvar;



checkvar = val;


if (checkvar == 0)

{


// do something


}

else if (checkvar == 1)

{

/// do same thing as 0



}

you get the idea... (if this doesn&#039;t show blank lines, imagine there are at least 3 blank lines between each statement)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once knew a programmer who must have, at one time, been paid by the number of lines he wrote. His code always had the same style:</p>
<p>int checkvar;</p>
<p>checkvar = val;</p>
<p>if (checkvar == 0)</p>
<p>{</p>
<p>// do something</p>
<p>}</p>
<p>else if (checkvar == 1)</p>
<p>{</p>
<p>/// do same thing as 0</p>
<p>}</p>
<p>you get the idea&#8230; (if this doesn&#8217;t show blank lines, imagine there are at least 3 blank lines between each statement)</p>
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		<title>By: If you overwork, it&#8217;s your fault &#171; Roberto Estreitinho</title>
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		<dc:creator>If you overwork, it&#8217;s your fault &#171; Roberto Estreitinho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] D. Cook said it well in a 2009 blog post: Programmers are most effective when they avoid writing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roberto Estreitinho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto Estreitinho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one fine post. Easy to read and so insightful. I work almost daily with programmers and I had times when I thought, &quot;how is it possible these guys more easily find problems than solutions?&quot;. It&#039;s good to see that the real good ones process their tasks in the exact oposite way. I&#039;m using part of it for a blog post myself (with proper linkage, of course)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one fine post. Easy to read and so insightful. I work almost daily with programmers and I had times when I thought, &#8220;how is it possible these guys more easily find problems than solutions?&#8221;. It&#8217;s good to see that the real good ones process their tasks in the exact oposite way. I&#8217;m using part of it for a blog post myself (with proper linkage, of course)</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Brunet</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ Brunet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like VPS hosting, your salary is bursting into other accounts.  

No man is an island ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like VPS hosting, your salary is bursting into other accounts.  </p>
<p>No man is an island <img src='http://www.johndcook.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonas Byström</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonas Byström</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post, couldn&#039;t agree more!</description>
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		<title>By: Productivity and negative space &#8212; The Endeavour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Productivity and negative space &#8212; The Endeavour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity has been getting a lot of buzz today. One of the arguments in that post is that the most productive [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Interesting result &#124; My Thought Exactly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting result &#124; My Thought Exactly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I clicked on the link.  And instead of a nice article, I got the following message [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Accettura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Accettura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting theory, but I suspect it has more to do with economics and psychology.

In most fields the pay spread is not very far apart for salary employees.  There&#039;s a reason for this.  If the spread is large, the folks at the lower edge of the spectrum get discouraged and productivity lowers more.  The folks at the top become more and more expensive partially due to the disparity.

As a result, it&#039;s more cost effective to only single out the poor performers and view the rest as equals.  

Sure you&#039;ll loose 1 or 2 of your top performers every so often.  But reality is people who perform that well tend to get bored and move on quickly regardless.  They won&#039;t stick around no matter how much you pay them.

As a result, money doesn&#039;t get you what you&#039;d want, so why pay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting theory, but I suspect it has more to do with economics and psychology.</p>
<p>In most fields the pay spread is not very far apart for salary employees.  There&#8217;s a reason for this.  If the spread is large, the folks at the lower edge of the spectrum get discouraged and productivity lowers more.  The folks at the top become more and more expensive partially due to the disparity.</p>
<p>As a result, it&#8217;s more cost effective to only single out the poor performers and view the rest as equals.  </p>
<p>Sure you&#8217;ll loose 1 or 2 of your top performers every so often.  But reality is people who perform that well tend to get bored and move on quickly regardless.  They won&#8217;t stick around no matter how much you pay them.</p>
<p>As a result, money doesn&#8217;t get you what you&#8217;d want, so why pay?</p>
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		<title>By: Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity &#124; Smile and let go</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity &#124; Smile and let go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] excellent article by John D. Cook on why being a quick and efficient code writer does not necessarily make you a great programmer.   [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Two Cents Each &#8211; 6/24/2011 : well, if you ask me &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Two Cents Each &#8211; 6/24/2011 : well, if you ask me &#8230;</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: &#187; Thursday Quote: John D. Cooke &#187; John Hobbs on coding, Omaha, and life in general &#187; Blog Archive</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Thursday Quote: John D. Cooke &#187; John Hobbs on coding, Omaha, and life in general &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] D. Cooke&#8220;Programmers are most effective when they avoid writing code.&#8221;- John D. CookBlog Post Posted June 23rd, 2011 - Permalink Categories: Geek Tags: Productivity, Programming, Quotes You can [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why build a website to archive your research? &#124; jbdeaton.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why build a website to archive your research? &#124; jbdeaton.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 02:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the time to write about how to do great research. I&#8217;m thinking of people like Daniel Lemire, John D. Cook, Terence Tao, Matt Might, Matt Welsh, Michael Nielsen, John Regehr, Rob J. Hyndman, and many others [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the time to write about how to do great research. I&#8217;m thinking of people like Daniel Lemire, John D. Cook, Terence Tao, Matt Might, Matt Welsh, Michael Nielsen, John Regehr, Rob J. Hyndman, and many others [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 16:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got the points, Programmers are most effective when they avoid writing code. Bosses just don&#039;t understand.</description>
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		<title>By: 為什麼工程師的薪水和生產力如此不成比例？ &#187; Mr. Jamie 看網路與創投</title>
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		<dc:creator>為什麼工程師的薪水和生產力如此不成比例？ &#187; Mr. Jamie 看網路與創投</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 02:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 直到昨天，讀了 John D. Cook (強‧庫克) 的這篇文章：「Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity」，才給我了一個天大的啟發。 [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>concatenum.com &#187; Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your description of how difficult it is to measure programming productivity reminds me of the problem those of us with impostor syndrome face. Keeping in mind that a great programmer thinks, &quot;Hmm, I&#039;ve seen this before,&quot; will increase my confidence in what I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your description of how difficult it is to measure programming productivity reminds me of the problem those of us with impostor syndrome face. Keeping in mind that a great programmer thinks, &#8220;Hmm, I&#8217;ve seen this before,&#8221; will increase my confidence in what I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity — The Endeavour &#171; So dies und das ohne Ziel und Zweck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity — The Endeavour &#171; So dies und das ohne Ziel und Zweck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jim G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 01:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The romantic image of an über-programmer is someone who fires up Emacs, types like a machine gun, and delivers a flawless final product from scratch. A more accurate image would be someone who stares quietly into space for a few minutes and then says “Hmm. I think I’ve seen something like this before.”

Awesome post. 100% agree. Thanks.</description>
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<p>Awesome post. 100% agree. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: S&#38;J Studio &#187; 為什麼程式設計師不是根據生產力給薪水？</title>
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		<dc:creator>S&#38;J Studio &#187; 為什麼程式設計師不是根據生產力給薪水？</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: PJ Brunet</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/12/23/why-programmers-are-not-paid-in-proportion-to-their-productivity/comment-page-3/#comment-77926</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ Brunet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the 10x productive programmer can serve 10 clients in the same amount of time as the 1x &quot;rat race&quot; programmer.  

Or write code for 5 clients, then rework the code for 5 new products to sell B2B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the 10x productive programmer can serve 10 clients in the same amount of time as the 1x &#8220;rat race&#8221; programmer.  </p>
<p>Or write code for 5 clients, then rework the code for 5 new products to sell B2B.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Posters</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/12/23/why-programmers-are-not-paid-in-proportion-to-their-productivity/comment-page-3/#comment-77865</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Posters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No sympathy! A good programmer can be paid well if he uses his/her brain to find a better paying client/employer. If your job is to be a programmer on a project for 12 months at a fixed rate, that position will have certain expectations. If you exceed those expectations I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll be shouted a few beers, get attention from girls in the office, and a nice farewell after the contract is up. Reputation boost, perhaps you even learnt something new. Want a medal to go with that? What do you want? A suitcase full of cash? Comment 52 is right, it&#039;s not a linear thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No sympathy! A good programmer can be paid well if he uses his/her brain to find a better paying client/employer. If your job is to be a programmer on a project for 12 months at a fixed rate, that position will have certain expectations. If you exceed those expectations I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll be shouted a few beers, get attention from girls in the office, and a nice farewell after the contract is up. Reputation boost, perhaps you even learnt something new. Want a medal to go with that? What do you want? A suitcase full of cash? Comment 52 is right, it&#8217;s not a linear thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/12/23/why-programmers-are-not-paid-in-proportion-to-their-productivity/comment-page-3/#comment-77861</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you define productivity for programmers? What metric or formula is used? How do you compare productivity between programmers in the same organization when they are often working on completely different projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you define productivity for programmers? What metric or formula is used? How do you compare productivity between programmers in the same organization when they are often working on completely different projects.</p>
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		<title>By: rektide</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/12/23/why-programmers-are-not-paid-in-proportion-to-their-productivity/comment-page-3/#comment-77857</link>
		<dc:creator>rektide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting Gates, &quot;Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight.&quot;

That said, lines of code do have some relevance: they&#039;re a good tool for weeding out exceptionally low productivity people.  &quot;Someone who is 10x more productive than his colleagues is likely to leave,&quot; so it behooves your company to deal with the programmers that write 1/5th the lines of code, or end up having to write the same piece of code 5x, or write code that is 5x longer than necessary.  Too much, too frequently, or too little, it takes a coder to know what the hell a coder is really doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting Gates, &#8220;Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight.&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, lines of code do have some relevance: they&#8217;re a good tool for weeding out exceptionally low productivity people.  &#8220;Someone who is 10x more productive than his colleagues is likely to leave,&#8221; so it behooves your company to deal with the programmers that write 1/5th the lines of code, or end up having to write the same piece of code 5x, or write code that is 5x longer than necessary.  Too much, too frequently, or too little, it takes a coder to know what the hell a coder is really doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dumb and gets things done &#8212; The Endeavour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dumb and gets things done &#8212; The Endeavour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity Experienced programmers and lines of code Writes large, correct programs Stupidity scales    ? X [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Why programmers are not paid in proportion to their productivity Experienced programmers and lines of code Writes large, correct programs Stupidity scales    ? X [...]</p>
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		<title>By: feroze daud</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/12/23/why-programmers-are-not-paid-in-proportion-to-their-productivity/comment-page-3/#comment-37128</link>
		<dc:creator>feroze daud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article. I couldnt agree more. As others have pointed out, programmer productivity is very hard to measure. Specially in the current, fast paced environment where people change jobs when projects are done.

Since programmer productivity is hard to measure, and companies impose a forced bell-curve evaluation, followed by a rank and yank system, a lot of top skilled programmers start spending less time on being productive and more time on being &quot;visible&quot;, schmoozing etc. Those that cannot do this, or are uncomfortable doing it, will become discouraged and not spend the effort if they are not getting recognition. Or, they will try to move into management thinking that they will get better rewards, with the result that the company loses a good programmer and gets a potentially bad manager.

Compounding the problem are frontline managers who themselves are fighting for their jobs everyday that they cannot spend time evaluating how their directs are doing their jobs. In most companies, a managed doing an excellent job as a people manager is not rewarded for it, unless he also &quot;manages up&quot;, or does his own side projects to show the &quot;extra mile&quot; that he accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article. I couldnt agree more. As others have pointed out, programmer productivity is very hard to measure. Specially in the current, fast paced environment where people change jobs when projects are done.</p>
<p>Since programmer productivity is hard to measure, and companies impose a forced bell-curve evaluation, followed by a rank and yank system, a lot of top skilled programmers start spending less time on being productive and more time on being &#8220;visible&#8221;, schmoozing etc. Those that cannot do this, or are uncomfortable doing it, will become discouraged and not spend the effort if they are not getting recognition. Or, they will try to move into management thinking that they will get better rewards, with the result that the company loses a good programmer and gets a potentially bad manager.</p>
<p>Compounding the problem are frontline managers who themselves are fighting for their jobs everyday that they cannot spend time evaluating how their directs are doing their jobs. In most companies, a managed doing an excellent job as a people manager is not rewarded for it, unless he also &#8220;manages up&#8221;, or does his own side projects to show the &#8220;extra mile&#8221; that he accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly French</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/12/23/why-programmers-are-not-paid-in-proportion-to-their-productivity/comment-page-3/#comment-37000</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question asked on the Stackoverflow podcast was turned into a &lt;a href=&quot;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1767957/paying-great-programmers-more-than-average-programmers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stackoverflow question&lt;/a&gt;.  That question inspired a &lt;a href=&quot;http://codewright.blogspot.com/2009/12/of-rockstars-and-bricklayers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt; of mine to go into more detail on the subject.  Thanks to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.codeanthem.com/blog/2010/04/lets-be-independent-together/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;CodeAnthem site &lt;/a&gt;for bringing the subject up again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question asked on the Stackoverflow podcast was turned into a <a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1767957/paying-great-programmers-more-than-average-programmers" rel="nofollow">Stackoverflow question</a>.  That question inspired a <a href="http://codewright.blogspot.com/2009/12/of-rockstars-and-bricklayers.html" rel="nofollow">blog post</a> of mine to go into more detail on the subject.  Thanks to the <a href="http://www.codeanthem.com/blog/2010/04/lets-be-independent-together/" rel="nofollow">&lt;CodeAnthem site </a>for bringing the subject up again.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/12/23/why-programmers-are-not-paid-in-proportion-to-their-productivity/comment-page-3/#comment-36876</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Grant: As to why a company might hire outsiders to make mistakes, you might want to read this article about &lt;a href=&quot;http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N18/dubai.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cargo-cult consulting&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s a tale of a consulting company telling a client what they want to hear even though it looks like a billion dollar mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Grant: As to why a company might hire outsiders to make mistakes, you might want to read this article about <a href="http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N18/dubai.html" rel="nofollow">cargo-cult consulting</a>. It&#8217;s a tale of a consulting company telling a client what they want to hear even though it looks like a billion dollar mistake.</p>
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