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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by John MacIntyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>John MacIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Push mowers are awesome ... unless you don&#039;t get around to mowing for a while; then pushing those things is a major workout ... which probably isn&#039;t a bad thing.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Push mowers are awesome &#8230; unless you don&#8217;t get around to mowing for a while; then pushing those things is a major workout &#8230; which probably isn&#8217;t a bad thing.  <img src='http://www.johndcook.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by John</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/18/four-mechanical-devices-better-than-newer-counterparts/comment-page-1/#comment-35105</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent, I agree. I use mechanical pencils, but some of my family prefer wooden pencils.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, I agree. I use mechanical pencils, but some of my family prefer wooden pencils.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by Trent Hauck</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/18/four-mechanical-devices-better-than-newer-counterparts/comment-page-1/#comment-35104</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent Hauck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, by the same token, mechanical pencils are much better than ol&#039; yella&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, by the same token, mechanical pencils are much better than ol&#8217; yella&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Edward Tufte, Ron Howard, and government consulting by Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/08/edward-tufte-appointment/comment-page-1/#comment-35069</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Bill Mill&#039;s comment.  I don&#039;t know; I&#039;m not disappointed at any rate.  I suspect this has more to do with one&#039;s psychological make-up than anything else.  There are people who deal better with socio-political forces than others.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessarily limited to government the way Bill is making it out to be.  There are brilliant academic types who manage to thrive or survive in organizations because they have the wherewithal to make it through (whatever that entails -- zig, zag as necessary, or not get totally bummed out at the general idiocy as you work in the direction of incremental improvements).  Then there are others who just can&#039;t deal with any of the politics and whatnot.  

With all the recent talk of how government is such an awful, incompetent beast, you&#039;d think we&#039;d forgotten why we chuckle at the tales of middle manager and peter principles in Dilbert and the like.  

Not that I&#039;m making an argument that government is so much better than business; just that there are substantial political, bureaucratic hurdles to overcome at many businesses, and it baffles me that we ignore that.  A lot of businesses aren&#039;t super efficient well-oiled machines.  We&#039;d all be pleased to hear that Tufte had a significant impact at some company A.  But would we be surprise to hear that his presentations and advice fell on deaf ears at another company B?  Really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Bill Mill&#8217;s comment.  I don&#8217;t know; I&#8217;m not disappointed at any rate.  I suspect this has more to do with one&#8217;s psychological make-up than anything else.  There are people who deal better with socio-political forces than others.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessarily limited to government the way Bill is making it out to be.  There are brilliant academic types who manage to thrive or survive in organizations because they have the wherewithal to make it through (whatever that entails &#8212; zig, zag as necessary, or not get totally bummed out at the general idiocy as you work in the direction of incremental improvements).  Then there are others who just can&#8217;t deal with any of the politics and whatnot.  </p>
<p>With all the recent talk of how government is such an awful, incompetent beast, you&#8217;d think we&#8217;d forgotten why we chuckle at the tales of middle manager and peter principles in Dilbert and the like.  </p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m making an argument that government is so much better than business; just that there are substantial political, bureaucratic hurdles to overcome at many businesses, and it baffles me that we ignore that.  A lot of businesses aren&#8217;t super efficient well-oiled machines.  We&#8217;d all be pleased to hear that Tufte had a significant impact at some company A.  But would we be surprise to hear that his presentations and advice fell on deaf ears at another company B?  Really?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by Adam Vandenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/18/four-mechanical-devices-better-than-newer-counterparts/comment-page-1/#comment-35059</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Vandenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... work without electricity.&quot;

BUT HOW WILL YOU GRIND THE BEANS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; work without electricity.&#8221;</p>
<p>BUT HOW WILL YOU GRIND THE BEANS?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adding simplicity by Mary Foxworthy</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/15/adding-simplicity/comment-page-1/#comment-35031</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Foxworthy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought life would be simpler once we retired to our sailboat. Ha!!  Your short article inspired me to put a more rambling article about our non-simple life on my own blog.  

Just what is simplicity, anyway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought life would be simpler once we retired to our sailboat. Ha!!  Your short article inspired me to put a more rambling article about our non-simple life on my own blog.  </p>
<p>Just what is simplicity, anyway</p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by Kristopher Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristopher Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer a nice set of ear plugs (Hearos) over any noise-cancelling headsets.

Tractor-feed dot matrix printers were a lot more reliable than any inkjet I&#039;ve ever had.

Phones used to be a lot better. Remember when you could drop them, and not worry about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer a nice set of ear plugs (Hearos) over any noise-cancelling headsets.</p>
<p>Tractor-feed dot matrix printers were a lot more reliable than any inkjet I&#8217;ve ever had.</p>
<p>Phones used to be a lot better. Remember when you could drop them, and not worry about it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by Drew Haven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Haven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never been able to really get into the French press for coffee.  I think part of that is that I have an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aerobie.com/Products/aeropress.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AeroPress&lt;/a&gt;.  It&#039;s basically hand pressed espresso.  It makes great coffee and it&#039;s very easy to use.  It stores easily as well.  With my electric Burr grinder to grind fresh every morning, I&#039;m very happy with my home coffee.

Pencil-wise I have to go with mechanicals.  Sharpening is just a click away.  I like to go with either the Pilot Dr. Grip or Zebra M402.  Both are solid construction and have lasted me years.  If you&#039;re going to get a mechanical pencil, invest the $5-$10 to get a good one and you&#039;ll save yourself a bundle in the long run.  Cheap mechanical pencils are worse than wooden pencils.

Thanks for the tip about reel mowers being viable still.  I have some fond memories of one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never been able to really get into the French press for coffee.  I think part of that is that I have an <a href="http://www.aerobie.com/Products/aeropress.htm" rel="nofollow">AeroPress</a>.  It&#8217;s basically hand pressed espresso.  It makes great coffee and it&#8217;s very easy to use.  It stores easily as well.  With my electric Burr grinder to grind fresh every morning, I&#8217;m very happy with my home coffee.</p>
<p>Pencil-wise I have to go with mechanicals.  Sharpening is just a click away.  I like to go with either the Pilot Dr. Grip or Zebra M402.  Both are solid construction and have lasted me years.  If you&#8217;re going to get a mechanical pencil, invest the $5-$10 to get a good one and you&#8217;ll save yourself a bundle in the long run.  Cheap mechanical pencils are worse than wooden pencils.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip about reel mowers being viable still.  I have some fond memories of one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by Eric Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I was curious about a reel mower.   I have a gas mower that I&#039;ve gone over 3 years with zero maintenance.  (Not wise, I know.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I was curious about a reel mower.   I have a gas mower that I&#8217;ve gone over 3 years with zero maintenance.  (Not wise, I know.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by clintp</title>
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		<dc:creator>clintp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eric: Of course you meant that the &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; mower was the &lt;i&gt;reel&lt;/i&gt; mower.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric: Of course you meant that the <i>real</i> mower was the <i>reel</i> mower.  <img src='http://www.johndcook.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by clintp</title>
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		<dc:creator>clintp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a big, corner lot (sidewalks everywhere) with lots of oak trees.  While the power tools are loud, I use them sparingly.  Leaf blower twice in the fall, snow blower for more than 4&quot; of snow.  I&#039;m good with maintenance but they start very well.

@Eric: for a residential lot, used weekly:  I change the oil and air filter every other season.  After every use, I broom off the loose dust.  I sharpen the blade every spring.

I&#039;m surrounded on both sides by power yard tool loving neighbors and it&#039;s awful.  One uses his leaf blower several times a week -- when there&#039;s no snow -- to sweep his sidewalks and remove every scrap of leaf from his yard.  The other breaks out his snow blower when there&#039;s anything more than a dusting.

I&#039;m with you 100% on the manual/crank pencil sharpener.  In my last three houses, I&#039;ve managed to install one somewhere.  Best option was above the kitty litter and then just removed its cover -- the cat loved it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a big, corner lot (sidewalks everywhere) with lots of oak trees.  While the power tools are loud, I use them sparingly.  Leaf blower twice in the fall, snow blower for more than 4&#8243; of snow.  I&#8217;m good with maintenance but they start very well.</p>
<p>@Eric: for a residential lot, used weekly:  I change the oil and air filter every other season.  After every use, I broom off the loose dust.  I sharpen the blade every spring.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surrounded on both sides by power yard tool loving neighbors and it&#8217;s awful.  One uses his leaf blower several times a week &#8212; when there&#8217;s no snow &#8212; to sweep his sidewalks and remove every scrap of leaf from his yard.  The other breaks out his snow blower when there&#8217;s anything more than a dusting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you 100% on the manual/crank pencil sharpener.  In my last three houses, I&#8217;ve managed to install one somewhere.  Best option was above the kitty litter and then just removed its cover &#8212; the cat loved it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by Eric Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to raking leaves or shoveling snow, I&#039;d never trade those opportunities to do physical work with my sons for a quicker job.  It&#039;s really one of my greatest pleasures, and my sons are still at the age where working with dad is tremendous privilege.

What sort of maintenance is required for a real mower?  Is it difficult when you let the grass get to high?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to raking leaves or shoveling snow, I&#8217;d never trade those opportunities to do physical work with my sons for a quicker job.  It&#8217;s really one of my greatest pleasures, and my sons are still at the age where working with dad is tremendous privilege.</p>
<p>What sort of maintenance is required for a real mower?  Is it difficult when you let the grass get to high?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by Guillermo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guillermo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I switched from Vim to Sublime Text for very much the same reason. It feels right on Windows and it&#039;s very versatile. I think you use Python quite a lot, so the fact that Python&#039;s the embedded language to interact with its API is a plus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I switched from Vim to Sublime Text for very much the same reason. It feels right on Windows and it&#8217;s very versatile. I think you use Python quite a lot, so the fact that Python&#8217;s the embedded language to interact with its API is a plus.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by Shawna Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawna Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll second the praise of the reel mower.  When I bought my house (which came with entirely too much lawn), I knew I wanted a mower that wouldn&#039;t choke me with fumes, wouldn&#039;t cost anything to run, and would be quiet enough to run without disturbing the neighbors in the early morning when it is cool.  I bought a reel mower and I still think it&#039;s pretty right on.

Now don&#039;t get me started on how much better our old, mostly analog centrifuge is compared to the newer, totally digital models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second the praise of the reel mower.  When I bought my house (which came with entirely too much lawn), I knew I wanted a mower that wouldn&#8217;t choke me with fumes, wouldn&#8217;t cost anything to run, and would be quiet enough to run without disturbing the neighbors in the early morning when it is cool.  I bought a reel mower and I still think it&#8217;s pretty right on.</p>
<p>Now don&#8217;t get me started on how much better our old, mostly analog centrifuge is compared to the newer, totally digital models.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Four mechanical devices better than their newer counterparts by Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agree on the French Press. It&#039;s easy and makes great coffee. Plus is takes less space to store than an electric coffee pot. It&#039;s also good for kitchens that are counter space constrained. I use mine at least once everyday.

Another place where I think low tech beats high tech is exercise equipment. You can get a lot of mileage out of a jump rope, a pull up bar, some dumbbells, and your own body. You know - push-ups, running, squats, etc... This home gym (sans running shoes) can be put together with excellent equipment for under $50.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree on the French Press. It&#8217;s easy and makes great coffee. Plus is takes less space to store than an electric coffee pot. It&#8217;s also good for kitchens that are counter space constrained. I use mine at least once everyday.</p>
<p>Another place where I think low tech beats high tech is exercise equipment. You can get a lot of mileage out of a jump rope, a pull up bar, some dumbbells, and your own body. You know &#8211; push-ups, running, squats, etc&#8230; This home gym (sans running shoes) can be put together with excellent equipment for under $50.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eclipse, with the texclipse plugin, is excellent.  It&#039;s a little heavy, but it can do &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eclipse, with the texclipse plugin, is excellent.  It&#8217;s a little heavy, but it can do <i>everything</i>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by RDN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RDN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another editor from the early 1980s that&#039;s still around is Vedit.  I&#039;ve been using it continuously since 1982.  However, my current preference for a cross-platform editor is a relative newcomer: Geany (http://www.geany.org/).  It has multiple language support, including syntax highlighting, code folding, autocompletion, object indexing, and an architecture for plugins (though not many available).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another editor from the early 1980s that&#8217;s still around is Vedit.  I&#8217;ve been using it continuously since 1982.  However, my current preference for a cross-platform editor is a relative newcomer: Geany (<a href="http://www.geany.org/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.geany.org/)</a>.  It has multiple language support, including syntax highlighting, code folding, autocompletion, object indexing, and an architecture for plugins (though not many available).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by Beetle B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beetle B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Emacs/XEmacs schism.&lt;/i&gt;

This may have been a problem at the time, but it&#039;s a nonissue right now.

&lt;i&gt;Infrequent releases.&lt;/i&gt;

I find this to be an inconsistent complaint. It&#039;s just an editor, so why the need for frequent releases? The only reason I have &quot;needed&quot; to upgrade Emacs lately is to run Emacs apps that are not simply text editing (e.g. org-mode, calc, etc). 

Although I&#039;ll grant this may have been a problem at some point in the past.

&lt;i&gt;Vim may not be the as light as vi used to be, but emacs is a pig.&lt;/i&gt;

Again, not a concern ever since I started using Emacs heavily. It&#039;s fast enough for everything I need. A few versions ago it took a long time to load a big file, but no more. Vim may still be faster, but few will notice the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Emacs/XEmacs schism.</i></p>
<p>This may have been a problem at the time, but it&#8217;s a nonissue right now.</p>
<p><i>Infrequent releases.</i></p>
<p>I find this to be an inconsistent complaint. It&#8217;s just an editor, so why the need for frequent releases? The only reason I have &#8220;needed&#8221; to upgrade Emacs lately is to run Emacs apps that are not simply text editing (e.g. org-mode, calc, etc). </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;ll grant this may have been a problem at some point in the past.</p>
<p><i>Vim may not be the as light as vi used to be, but emacs is a pig.</i></p>
<p>Again, not a concern ever since I started using Emacs heavily. It&#8217;s fast enough for everything I need. A few versions ago it took a long time to load a big file, but no more. Vim may still be faster, but few will notice the difference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by So?</title>
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		<dc:creator>So?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tried emacs, ended up with Vim.  What turned me off emacs:
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Long chorded commands are a recipe for RSI.  This can be worked around with remapping to Ctrl to something reasonable like Alt.  The big Alt keys on a MS Natural keyboard are very easy to thumb (the strongest finger).  The long-winded-do-something commands can be remapped to something short.  But then you need to carry your mapping file around with you.  BTW, Paul Graham, the Lisp guru, switched to Vim for precisely this reason.  Vi is everywhere in the Unix world and has reasonable defaults.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Emacs/XEmacs schism.&lt;/li&gt; 
&lt;li&gt;Infrequent releases.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Ugly GUI (not much of a concern, since I&#039;ve become a devout Terminalist).  Got smooth fonts only recently.
&lt;li&gt;Vim may not be the as light as vi used to be, but emacs is a pig.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
The only thing that I don&#039;t like about Vim is that it has yet another custom scripting language.  Though it has bindings for Tcl, Python, Ruby, etc., most of the plugins and much of the core functionality are written in its own scripting language.

P.S. Bash commandline has a vi editing mode: set -o vi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried emacs, ended up with Vim.  What turned me off emacs:</p>
<ul>
<li>Long chorded commands are a recipe for RSI.  This can be worked around with remapping to Ctrl to something reasonable like Alt.  The big Alt keys on a MS Natural keyboard are very easy to thumb (the strongest finger).  The long-winded-do-something commands can be remapped to something short.  But then you need to carry your mapping file around with you.  BTW, Paul Graham, the Lisp guru, switched to Vim for precisely this reason.  Vi is everywhere in the Unix world and has reasonable defaults.</li>
<li>Emacs/XEmacs schism.</li>
<li>Infrequent releases.</li>
<li>Ugly GUI (not much of a concern, since I&#8217;ve become a devout Terminalist).  Got smooth fonts only recently.
</li>
<li>Vim may not be the as light as vi used to be, but emacs is a pig.</li>
</ul>
<p>The only thing that I don&#8217;t like about Vim is that it has yet another custom scripting language.  Though it has bindings for Tcl, Python, Ruby, etc., most of the plugins and much of the core functionality are written in its own scripting language.</p>
<p>P.S. Bash commandline has a vi editing mode: set -o vi.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by Edvin</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/16/emacs/comment-page-1/#comment-34837</link>
		<dc:creator>Edvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a linux to mac convert and have found TextMate a great replacement for emacs. Now TextMate is Mac-exclusive, but it has recently been brought to my attention that one of its greatest features, the language bundles, are also supported by a Windows-editor:

http://www.e-texteditor.com/

The language bundles are similar to emacs-modes and makes me able to use Textmate as my editor for everything I write (python, Java, R, php, html, css, latex ...). They obviously do not cover the enormous range that emacs-modes does, but they generally work very well (I once discovered that emacs even had a mode for editing protein databank coordinate files).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a linux to mac convert and have found TextMate a great replacement for emacs. Now TextMate is Mac-exclusive, but it has recently been brought to my attention that one of its greatest features, the language bundles, are also supported by a Windows-editor:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.e-texteditor.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.e-texteditor.com/</a></p>
<p>The language bundles are similar to emacs-modes and makes me able to use Textmate as my editor for everything I write (python, Java, R, php, html, css, latex &#8230;). They obviously do not cover the enormous range that emacs-modes does, but they generally work very well (I once discovered that emacs even had a mode for editing protein databank coordinate files).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by Marck</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/16/emacs/comment-page-1/#comment-34821</link>
		<dc:creator>Marck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to look into EditPadPro. It&#039;s no emacs, but has syntax highlighting and you can send text to apps such as R and python, and get back the output. I own it and I think it&#039;s worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to look into EditPadPro. It&#8217;s no emacs, but has syntax highlighting and you can send text to apps such as R and python, and get back the output. I own it and I think it&#8217;s worth it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Unix Programming Environment by Sugan</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/06/15/joel-spolsky-books/comment-page-1/#comment-34818</link>
		<dc:creator>Sugan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. You are correct. The book &quot;UNIX PROGRAMMING ENVIRONMENT&quot; is awesome. I got a old battered copy of the same recently. After going through the pages, I was awestruck with the information it held. Though it was compiled years before my birth. Its worth a reading. We can always apply and upgrade the techniques mentioned. I would suggest the book as a must read, for everyone who chooses UNIX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. You are correct. The book &#8220;UNIX PROGRAMMING ENVIRONMENT&#8221; is awesome. I got a old battered copy of the same recently. After going through the pages, I was awestruck with the information it held. Though it was compiled years before my birth. Its worth a reading. We can always apply and upgrade the techniques mentioned. I would suggest the book as a must read, for everyone who chooses UNIX.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by So?</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/16/emacs/comment-page-1/#comment-34816</link>
		<dc:creator>So?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the digression, but OS X fonts are a fuzzy blur from hell. (I&#039;m typing this on a Mac, BTW).  http://www.atpm.com/12.01/paradigm.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the digression, but OS X fonts are a fuzzy blur from hell. (I&#8217;m typing this on a Mac, BTW).  <a href="http://www.atpm.com/12.01/paradigm.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.atpm.com/12.01/paradigm.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by John</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/16/emacs/comment-page-1/#comment-34814</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

@Jared: Thanks for the Mac/Windows keyboard background. That explains a lot.

@Janne: Your comment made me think it might be good to separate Emacs-the-editor from Emacs-the-Swiss-Army-knife for the sake of discussion. 

@Beetle: You are correct. I started to mention that when I was writing the post, but I decided to start my timeline with GNU Emacs.

@Nemo: I understand your point about Emacs being powerful for &quot;very smart people&quot; but I might rephrase that as &quot;people who are dedicated to using it regularly.&quot; Along those lines, see my post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2008/01/31/three-hour-a-week-language/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;three-hour a week language&lt;/a&gt;. A very smart person who doesn&#039;t do much text editing is probably better off with a different editor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the suggestions everyone.</p>
<p>@Jared: Thanks for the Mac/Windows keyboard background. That explains a lot.</p>
<p>@Janne: Your comment made me think it might be good to separate Emacs-the-editor from Emacs-the-Swiss-Army-knife for the sake of discussion. </p>
<p>@Beetle: You are correct. I started to mention that when I was writing the post, but I decided to start my timeline with GNU Emacs.</p>
<p>@Nemo: I understand your point about Emacs being powerful for &#8220;very smart people&#8221; but I might rephrase that as &#8220;people who are dedicated to using it regularly.&#8221; Along those lines, see my post <a href="http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2008/01/31/three-hour-a-week-language/" rel="nofollow">three-hour a week language</a>. A very smart person who doesn&#8217;t do much text editing is probably better off with a different editor.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Smoking by Desmond SHerlock</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/09/11/smoking/comment-page-1/#comment-34812</link>
		<dc:creator>Desmond SHerlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes...  mention the word &quot;smoking&quot; and you are bound to get people like me commenting also. I am not from the non-smoking industry but I did see an opportunity to create a quit smoking campaign for smokers in the workplace called the Quitober Challenge. I agree that it is how the non-smoking product is marketed that is important. In Australia there is a huge focus by the Quit organisation to frighten, or try to, with exaggerated &amp; negative emotive visuals. Expensive TV ads are their pet choice &amp; they have not changed or added to their approach over the last 20 years. I approached them with the Quitober Challenge idea for them to use as a separate brand for them to be more supportive &amp; encouraging smokers to quit but was rejected. My belief is that smokers are sick of hearing the preaching on the negative  aspects of smoking &amp; are ready for a groundswell of smokers getting together to quit.
Here is a very interesting article on how &amp; why we quit from the Wired magazine titled &quot;Together We Quit, Divided We Fail&quot; http://quitober.com/together_we_quit.php
Finally Canada run 2 challenge events that had more than 38,000 smokers take part last year, run by their Cancer Society.
Now that is what I call effective marketing or a good kick-start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8230;  mention the word &#8220;smoking&#8221; and you are bound to get people like me commenting also. I am not from the non-smoking industry but I did see an opportunity to create a quit smoking campaign for smokers in the workplace called the Quitober Challenge. I agree that it is how the non-smoking product is marketed that is important. In Australia there is a huge focus by the Quit organisation to frighten, or try to, with exaggerated &amp; negative emotive visuals. Expensive TV ads are their pet choice &amp; they have not changed or added to their approach over the last 20 years. I approached them with the Quitober Challenge idea for them to use as a separate brand for them to be more supportive &amp; encouraging smokers to quit but was rejected. My belief is that smokers are sick of hearing the preaching on the negative  aspects of smoking &amp; are ready for a groundswell of smokers getting together to quit.<br />
Here is a very interesting article on how &amp; why we quit from the Wired magazine titled &#8220;Together We Quit, Divided We Fail&#8221; <a href="http://quitober.com/together_we_quit.php" rel="nofollow">http://quitober.com/together_we_quit.php</a><br />
Finally Canada run 2 challenge events that had more than 38,000 smokers take part last year, run by their Cancer Society.<br />
Now that is what I call effective marketing or a good kick-start.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by Beetle B.</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/16/emacs/comment-page-1/#comment-34810</link>
		<dc:creator>Beetle B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a sense, Emacs is actually a lot older - from the 70&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a sense, Emacs is actually a lot older &#8211; from the 70&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by Janne</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/16/emacs/comment-page-1/#comment-34808</link>
		<dc:creator>Janne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vi came in 1976 and is in common use today, through the popular vim incarnation, and as the default editor at the system level for a lot of linux- and bsd-powered devices. 

And refreshingly, vi is an editor with ambitions to be - an editor. Not a mail client, class browser, typesetting engine or z-code interpreter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vi came in 1976 and is in common use today, through the popular vim incarnation, and as the default editor at the system level for a lot of linux- and bsd-powered devices. </p>
<p>And refreshingly, vi is an editor with ambitions to be &#8211; an editor. Not a mail client, class browser, typesetting engine or z-code interpreter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by Jared Updike</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/16/emacs/comment-page-1/#comment-34801</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Updike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Slavomir:

Cygwin + PuTTY  (search for puttycyg) on Windows makes Emacs nearly Linux-like. A Windows world without Cygwin and PuTTY is a painful world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Slavomir:</p>
<p>Cygwin + PuTTY  (search for puttycyg) on Windows makes Emacs nearly Linux-like. A Windows world without Cygwin and PuTTY is a painful world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emacs by Slavomir Kaslev</title>
		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2010/03/16/emacs/comment-page-1/#comment-34799</link>
		<dc:creator>Slavomir Kaslev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that the closest thing that comes to emacs in flexibility and programmability is Eclipse. I said &quot;I guess&quot;, because I&#039;ve never used Eclipse much. Blame me, but I much more prefer emacs&#039;s old-school-lisp idiosyncrasy than eclipse&#039;s java-oops-style one. 

I am a regular emacs user. On linux I live in emacs and on windows I drift between Visual Studio for C++ and emacs for everything else. 

My advice is to give emacs another shot. Emacs on windows is quite bearable with cygwin. You can check out my emacs configuration at github.com/skaslev/emacs.d I&#039;ve already converted two colleagues (cg artists!) to use emacs with this. Here&#039;s what one of them (Marin Petrov) has written: http://scroll-lock.eu/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=143:my-battle-of-the-editors&amp;catid=1:scroll-blog#JOSC_TOP .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that the closest thing that comes to emacs in flexibility and programmability is Eclipse. I said &#8220;I guess&#8221;, because I&#8217;ve never used Eclipse much. Blame me, but I much more prefer emacs&#8217;s old-school-lisp idiosyncrasy than eclipse&#8217;s java-oops-style one. </p>
<p>I am a regular emacs user. On linux I live in emacs and on windows I drift between Visual Studio for C++ and emacs for everything else. </p>
<p>My advice is to give emacs another shot. Emacs on windows is quite bearable with cygwin. You can check out my emacs configuration at github.com/skaslev/emacs.d I&#8217;ve already converted two colleagues (cg artists!) to use emacs with this. Here&#8217;s what one of them (Marin Petrov) has written: <a href="http://scroll-lock.eu/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=143:my-battle-of-the-editors&amp;catid=1:scroll-blog#JOSC_TOP" rel="nofollow">http://scroll-lock.eu/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=143:my-battle-of-the-editors&amp;catid=1:scroll-blog#JOSC_TOP</a> .</p>
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		<link>http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2009/05/19/golden-ratio-rational-approximation/comment-page-1/#comment-34792</link>
		<dc:creator>John Myles White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I always think of phi as being the irrational number whose rational approximations are the most beautiful, since it is the value of the continued fraction, [1, 1, 1, 1, ...]. I&#039;ll have to work through the details of Hurwitz&#039;s theorem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I always think of phi as being the irrational number whose rational approximations are the most beautiful, since it is the value of the continued fraction, [1, 1, 1, 1, ...]. I&#8217;ll have to work through the details of Hurwitz&#8217;s theorem.</p>
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