{"id":246771,"date":"2025-12-28T19:23:19","date_gmt":"2025-12-29T01:23:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.johndcook.com\/blog\/?p=246771"},"modified":"2026-01-01T09:25:36","modified_gmt":"2026-01-01T15:25:36","slug":"interesting-categories-are-big","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.johndcook.com\/blog\/2025\/12\/28\/interesting-categories-are-big\/","title":{"rendered":"Interesting categories are big"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One of the things I found off-putting about category theory when I was first exposed to it was its reliance on the notion of &#8220;collections&#8221; that are not sets. That seemed to place the entire theory on dubious foundations with paradoxes looming around every corner.<\/p>\n<p>It turns out you can mostly ignore such issues in application. You can, for example, talk about the forgetful functor that maps a group to the set of its elements, ignoring the group structure, without having to think deeply about the <em>collection<\/em> of all sets, which Russell&#8217;s paradox tells us cannot itself be a set.<\/p>\n<p>And yet issues of cardinality are not entirely avoidable. There is a theorem [1] that says in effect that category theory would be uninteresting without collections too large to be sets.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Every category <em>C<\/em> with a set of arrows is isomorphic to one in which the objects are sets and the arrows are functions.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>If the collection of arrows (morphisms) between objects in <em>C<\/em> is so small as to be a set, then <em>C<\/em> is a sub-category of the category of sets. As Awodey explains, &#8220;the only special properties such categories can possess are ones that are categorically irrelevant, such as features of the objects that do not a\ufb00ect the arrows in any way.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Most categories of interest have too many objects to be a set, and even more morphisms than objects.<\/p>\n<h2>Related posts<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.johndcook.com\/blog\/2019\/04\/29\/how-category-theory-is-applied\/\">How category theory is applied<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.johndcook.com\/blog\/universal-properties\/\">Universal properties<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.johndcook.com\/blog\/2022\/11\/18\/kleisli-composition\/\">Simple example of Kleisli composition<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.johndcook.com\/blog\/2023\/05\/22\/category-theory-without-categories\/\">Category theory without categories<\/a><\/li>\n<li class=\"link\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.johndcook.com\/blog\/2016\/06\/27\/category-theory-and-homiletics\/\">Category theory and Koine Greek<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>[1] Category Theory by Steve Awodey. 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