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Interview with author Cliff Pickover

by John on August 30, 2009

A few weeks ago, Sterling Publishing sent me a copy of Cliff Pickover’s new book The Math Book. I enjoyed reading the book (see my review) and set up the interview that follows.

Clifford Pickover photo

JC: The Math Book is your first book that I’ve read. Is it typical of your writing? How would you summarize the topics you’ve written about?

CP: My past 40 books cover many different topics. A number of these books concern the beauty of mathematics. Others cover topics at the borderlands of science, roaming far and wide on topics ranging from creativity, art, mathematics, and human intelligence, to higher dimensions, religion, strange realities, time travel, alien life, and science fiction. You can see a listing of my other books here. This should give your readers a flavor for the kinds of topics on which I enjoy writing.

Of course, The Math Book is serious mathematics, but I hope I’ve introduced an element of art and playfulness as well — the topics flow from fractals, to Rubik’s cube robots, to the infinite monkey theorem! For me, mathematics cultivates a perpetual state of wonder about the nature of mind, the limits of thoughts, and our place in this vast cosmos.

With respect to my other books, some of which may be more at the fringes of science, I’d point out that “fringe” research is crucial — not just for its educational value but because significant discoveries can come from such study. At first glance, some topics in science or sociology in my other works may appear to be curiosities, with little practical application or purpose. However, I have found these experiments useful and educational, as have the many students, educators, artists, and scientists who have written to me. In fact, science is filled with hundreds of great discoveries that have emerged through chance happenings and serendipity, for example: Velcro, Teflon, X-rays, penicillin, nylon, safety glass, sugar substitutes, dynamite, and polyethylene plastics.

Several of my past books explore a variety of topics to test your curiosity and powers of lateral thinking. Robert Pirsig wrote in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, “It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top. Here’s where things grow.” This also applies to the joy that writers experience when letting their minds drift and when wondering about humanity’s place in the universe.

Beltrami pseudosphere. Image by Paul Nylander

Beltrami’s pseudosphere by Paul Nylander, included in The Math Book

JC: You’ve written a lot of books, especially for someone who has a full-time job in addition to writing. How do you manage your time?

CP: When people ask me how I manage my time, I reply: “Some people play golf on the weekends. Instead, I prefer to write.” Of course, my prolific writing pales in comparison to American novelist, lawyer, and workaholic Erle Stanley Gardner (1889-1970), who once worked on seven novels simultaneously and dictated 66,000 words a week! Gardner would never start to dictate until he had worked out the entire plot of his novel. He actually hired six secretaries to handle his dictation, which he found more efficient than typing. His best-known works focus on the lawyer-detective Perry Mason.

I don’t know how writers like Isaac Asimov were so prolific before the age of the computer. I would have a very difficult time writing books, and doing all the necessary text rearrangements and editing, without a word processor. According to the New York Public Library Desk Reference (4th ed.), Isaac Asimov wrote over 400 books and is the only author with a book included in every major Dewey-decimal category. I sit in awe of Asimov, but a few people have exceeded his book output. Lauran Paine (b. 1916) has published over 900 books under more than 90 pen names. Paine spent his youth working as a cowboy, and today at least 500 of his books are Westerns.

JC: How do you write? Do you have a set schedule and place for writing? Anything unusual about your environment or equipment?

CP: French writer Marcel Proust composed his books in a haphazard fashion. He did not start at the beginning and finish at the end. He did not write linearly. Instead, ideas came to him in flashes as he went about his daily routine. Most of my own books are composed in the same way. As ideas come to me during the day or in the realm between sleep and wakefulness, I jot them down and continue to fill in details in the book. For me, writing is exactly like painting, adding a spot of color here, a detail there, a twig on this tree, a bit of foam on that ocean wave… No painter starts at the top of the painting and finishes at the bottom.

My approach to filling in detail, like a painter dabbing paint, is fine in the age of word processors, but it was amazing that Proust used the same approach so well. He would dictate to his stenographers who would type an initial manuscript. Then, he would crowd the margins with additional details and establish links between scenes and characters. He would paste in new pages and have the new work typed again and again. Edmund White notes in his biography of Proust, “If any writer would have benefited from a word processor, it would have been Proust, whose entire method consisted of adding details here and there and of working on all parts of his book at once.” As for my books, there’s nothing special about the tools I use and nothing special about my environment. These days, I use Microsoft Word.

JC: Are you writing a book now?

CP: I am finishing a book in the style of The Math Book — one page of text facing one page of illustration. Entries are in chronological order. Let’s wait to see how well The Math Book sells. If it sells a sufficient number of copies, perhaps I can convince a publisher to consider this newer work that covers a particular array of topics in science, art, history, and popular culture.

JC: Would you be interested in writing a computer science analog of The Math Book?

CP: I very much enjoyed creating The Math Book with my publisher, Sterling, and the $19 price offered by Amazon.com is amazing for a 528-page all color hardcover. I would welcome doing another book of this kind if we feel that such a book has not been done before and that it is marketable.

JC: Who are some of your favorite authors, either for content or style?

CP: My favorite tales of parallel worlds are those of Robert Heinlein. For example, in his science-fiction novel The Number of the Beast there is a parallel world that appears identical to ours in every respect except that the letter “J” does not appear in the English language. Luckily, the protagonists in the book have built a device that lets them perform controlled explorations of parallel worlds from the safety of their high-tech car. This is my favorite novel, and the only one that I’ve read over five times — although I could never finish it the first few times. It’s a novel that many readers dislike, can’t finish, or understand. The final section is nearly incomprehensible. But for me, it provides a sense of mystic transport as the brainy characters enter parallel worlds, fleeing from danger.

JC: There is a scene in the movie Good Will Hunting where Robin Williams’ character, Sean, asks Matt Damon’s character, Will, what he likes to read. Will’s response is “Hey, whatever blows your hair back.” What blows your hair back? Any books, blogs, podcasts, etc. that you turn to for inspiration?

CP: These days, I’m enjoying CDs and DVDs from The Teaching Company – on subjects ranging from the history of mathematics, to the history of the world, to an introduction to Judaism. Some of their classes on the history of mathematics are awesome mind-bogglers.

My most popular blog, Reality Carnival, highlights the kinds of topics and stories that interest me.

JC: Your writing indicates you have broad interests. Have you struggled to find where you want to be along the continuum between Renaissance man and specialist?

CP: I prefer to be a generalist. In fact, if I had to manage a foundation that gives money to scientists, I would also consider high-quality “generalists” as recipients. Experts have become very specialized, and science popularizes are often frowned upon by their more “serious” colleagues. Sometimes, specialists develop blind spots after years of intense focus on a single topic. Thus, I would devote a portion of my money to training “generalists” who traverse several fields and then bring together ideas in ways that specialists may be unable to do. They will also look for overlaps between different domains of research and try to solve shared problems with a single approach. As our rate of technological progress skyrockets in the 21st century, these Facilitators will study the multidisciplinary implications of this acceleration and work on technologies or new ways of seeing that help humanity assimilate advances that outstrip our comprehension and the restrictions of our intuition.

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Carl Franklin interview

by John on July 29, 2009

Carl Franklin is a many of many talents: talk show host, producer, software developer, musician, etc. He’s probably best known for his excellent .NET Rocks podcast and for the other podcasts he hosts and produces. I hope you enjoy the following interview with Carl.

JC: Your .NET Rocks podcast goes back further than podcasting. Did the show start on radio or was it always online?

CF: It was always online. Although I was inspired by public radio programs like Car Talk and Whad’Ya Know, I always thought the audience was too narrow for general radio. That, and I had web resources readily available.

JC: So the show was a set of downloadable MP3 files before RSS feeds came along to organize the files into a podcast?

CF: Exactly. We had a site more or less like it is now, with links to and info about the current show on the front page, and an archives page. We also had a newsletter we used to notify people of new shows.

JC: Could you say something about your podcasts, ones you host, produce, etc.?

CF: Well, .NET Rocks is a twice-weekly interview show for .NET devs. I am the host and Richard Campbell is the co-host. It’s an hour long, more or less. Topics range from low-level techie stuff to new technologies and methodologies to speculation about the future.

We also produce a weekly video screencast/interview show also about an hour long called dnrTV. Topics are hands-on practical. It’s recorded at 1024×768 so it will fit most projectors.

Hanselminutes is a 30-50 minute podcast with Scott Hanselman covering a wide variety of developer and technology topics. Also weekly.

RunAs Radio is a 30-50 minute weekly interview show on Microsoft-centric IT topics with Richard Campbell and Greg Hughes.

We also do an adult comedy podcast called Mondays. Richard Campbell and I basically spend an hour or so laughing at the stories and wit of Mark Miller and Karen Mangiacotti. NSFW but hilarious.

JC: On .NET Rocks, you’re the alpha geek programmer, but sometimes you mention your life as a musician and entrepreneur.Were you a musician first?

CF: Yes. I was singing in the Westerly Chorus from age 8. Piano since age 4. Guitar since age 10. Trumpet since age 10. Bass and drums came later. Programming didn’t come around till I was 17. I went to Berklee School of Music in 85-86 and Full Sail School of Recording Arts 86-87. Learned computers on my own. I was lucky to have many smart programmer friends who were willing to share their knowledge. That experience has shaped everything I have done since.

JC: How did you get started as a programmer?

CF: My dad bought a TRS-80 model 4 when I was a kid to do taxes and bills. I think VisiCalc was the only program he used. It had a guide to BASIC programming that I started reading. Between that and the TRSDOS manual I started writing some cool programs. Then I got a modem and was introduced to the BBS world. That was it. I was hooked on writing serial communications programs.

JC: You’ve mentioned Franklins.Net and Pwop productions on .NET Rocks. Could you describe these businesses and how you got started?

CF: Franklins.Net was started in 1999 as a training company. I taught VB6 and then VB.NET for several years. Pwop was started as a media production company to support the podcasts. Now Franklins.Net is the .NET education brand and Pwop is all about audio/video/music production.

JC: Do you have any other businesses?

CF: No.

JC: Let’s go back to your music. Who are some musicians that influenced you? Who do you like to listen to now?

CF: I was brought up on good old classic rock. On acoustic guitar I was influenced by John Fahey, Leo Kottke, Jorma Kaukonen, and the like. On electric guitar: Jeff Beck, Brian May, Peter Frampton, Eagles, Skynyrd, Duane Allman, Jerry Garcia, and more recently John Scofield, John Pisano, Lee Rittenour, and Pat Martino. Nowadays I’m on a New Orleans kick, hanging out with The Meters and Professor Longhair.

JC: Sounds like you’re active as a performer and a producer.

CF: Yes. I’ve produced music for a handful of artists and I play in local venues regularly.

JC: Your web site says recorded a CD with your brother Jay a few years ago. Where can we find it?

CF: We will announce a website soon with our new album, and free links to our old album.

JC: Tell me about the new CD you’re working on.

CF: It’s all original but you’ll be able to hear and identify our influences easily.

JC: Anything else you want to talk about?

CF: Sounds good to me! Thanks!!!

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Dan Bricklin interview

by John on June 22, 2009

Dan Bricklin is best known for creating VisiCalc along with Bob Frankston in 1979. Since that time he has been active as a software developer and entrepreneur. His new book is Bricklin on Technology.

Bricklin on Technology

I quoted Dan Bricklin in a blog post a few weeks ago and he left a couple comments in the discussion. This started an email correspondence that lead to the following interview.

JC: Do you ever feel that the fame of VisiCalc has overshadowed some of your more recent accomplishments?

DB: It had better. VisiCalc was a pretty big thing to have done, and I’m very happy that I had the opportunity to make such a big contribution to the world. On the other hand, I frequently run into people who remember me because of some of my other products, especially Dan Bricklin’s Demo, or my writings that had a major impact on their work, so I know it’s not all that I’ve done of interest. Having done VisiCalc has opened many doors for me, and I surely appreciate that. I wouldn’t call it overshadowed, I’d call it added to and enhanced.

JC: What would your 30-second bio be without VisiCalc?

DB: I am a long-term toolmaker and commentator in the area of the personal use of computing power. I’ve stayed current in the technology area, and continually programmed and developed products in the latest genre, and shared my observations through blogging, podcasting, and other means, including a book.

JC: What are you doing these days as a programmer? As an entrepreneur?

DB: I have been working on an Open Source JavaScript-based spreadsheet called SocialCalc. It is being used throughout the world on the One Laptop Per Child’s XO computer, as well as by enterprise social-software company Socialtext, which paid for much of its development. I also serve on a few high-tech boards, and do a variety of types of consulting, including speaking engagements. I plan to continue developing software of various sorts and consulting.

JC: What trends do you see in software development?

DB: Software development is pervading more and more fields as a major component. We have moved from the computer being an adjunct to other means of expression or deployment to being the only or dominant means. The use of major system components, be they libraries or services, has continued to grow.

JC: Every time a new technology comes out, someone asks what the killer app will. That is, what application will do for the new technology what VisiCalc did for personal computers. Could you comment on some other “killer apps” since VisiCalc?

DB: I viewed VisiCalc as an app that made buying it and the whole system needed to run it an extremely simple decision. I saw it as having a “two week payback” for buying the whole system. That came from being two orders of magnitude better than what was used before. In VisiCalc’s case, you could use paper and pencil, taking at least 100 times as long to do the same thing, or, in those days, a timesharing system at a few thousand dollars a month (at least).

Similarly compelling applications since VisiCalc (for businesses) were desktop publishing, email, and mobile computing (like the Blackberry, Treo, and now iPhone). For the home, initially CD-ROM encyclopedias were a pretty compelling reason for homes with children to buy a PC (less than the cost of a paper encyclopedia and a bookcase to hold it but you could also use it for word processing), then the combination of email and the web with an always-connected Internet connection.

JC: The personal computer had a killer app and became popular. Are we reading too much into history by expecting that every technology must have a killer app before it can take off?

DB: You only need something that justifies buying a whole system if the sum of other applications or other reasons don’t cause the purchase on their own. For the iPhone, for some people, just having a large catalog of things you might want (those long tail apps I discuss in Chapter 7 of my book) may be enough.

JC: What do you think of open source business models? Ad sponsored, freemium, selling support/consulting services, etc.

DB: As I point out in Chapter 2 of my book where I talk about artists getting paid, there are many ways to make money. A “business model” is just saying here is how the pieces of what I do fit together and end up making enough money to meet the needs I have. This includes the cost structure as well as the sources of revenue and desired results. All long term endeavors, be they mainly based on developing or using Open Source or proprietary source or a mixture, look to different mixtures. They have historically used selling support, relationships with other companies (which advertising is a variant of), and other techniques as part of their mix. Open Source just gives us other options, including on the cost side. Also, as Prof. Ariely explains in the interview I did with him (Chapter 5) once you move into the realm of “free”, and when you appropriately invoke “community”, both of which Open Source can do, you get added benefits in your relationship with other people that can leverage your marketing and other costs.

JC: What did you learn in the process of writing your book? In particular, could you say a little bit about typography?

DB: Most of what I went through is in my essay on the topic, Turning My Blog Into A Book. I think that typography is important, and we’ve seen that as web pages have moved from very basic to better layout to full use of CSS. Typography is a way of expressing ideas and information outside of the direct flow of what you are saying. It is very valuable. Just as a well-delivered speech can convey much more than just the raw words, appropriate use of typographical techniques can convey much more than simple text.

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